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Emil Zelasko · Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Posts: 19 Location: Cleveland Ohio

Hello, I have the Super Speed Graphic and I am looking to buy the 6 shot Grafmatic film holder. I have heard that there are two versions- the Graphic 45 and the Graflex 45. Could someone tell me which back is required for this camera?

Thanks again!

Emil

t.r.sanford · Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject:

The "Graflok" back that was standard on later "Pacemaker" models and the "Super" line is compatible with accessories for the "Graphic" back. As far as I know, most "Grafmatic" magazines are of this type; I would not be surprised to learn that a "Graflex" type had been produced, but I never have seen one.

The principal visible difference is that the "Graphic" accessories have a raised light trap, while "Graflex" accessories have a groove.

RichS · Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:54 pm Post subject:

Yes there are Graflex Grafmatics and they will not fit a standard Graflok back. They are also a slightly different dimension as far as I know. I notice that quite a few of the auctioned Grafmatics are of the Graflex type and the sellers rarley mention that. Probaly trying to get rid of one they bought by mistake...

Make sure the one you buy says Graphic 45!

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45PSS · Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:16 am Post subject:

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RichS · Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:52 am Post subject:

I kinda hate to drag up an old thread, but that's what happens when you 'search'

Having just bought one, site unseen... And doing some research...

The Grafmatic 1168 is the older model of the last made model 1268. It is still for the Graflok or Graphic backs, NOT for the Graflex back.

The difference in the 1168 model is that it doesn't have the interlock pin to prevent the drawer from opening when the dial is set to "X". Which is actually a big problem and I'm not too thrilled... The only way to lock the drawer is to set the dial to a number, which then makes it look like it's ready to shoot...

The Graflex model Grafmatic says "Graflex 45" on the front, not "Graphic 45" as the 1268 and 1168 do. The 1168 has no model number printed on it... The 1268 does have '1268' on it...

Les · Joined: 09 May 2001 Posts: 2682 Location: Detroit, MI

Uhhh Rich.....

My "Graflex 45" Says 1168 on it.

I have both the old and new style Graphic models and I haven't checked them but I don't see a model change between the two.... I think the locking version was a running change that didn't warrant a model number change.

RichS · Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:16 am Post subject:

I read through the Grafmatic manual and it specifically mentions the '1168' as the old model without the 'X' interlock. That's where I got the info. I don't have a 'Graflex 45' model here to compare.

I don't think I have any other older documentation that would have the info?

Okay, wait a sec... Down to the parts list... The 1168 is stated as "Graflex" and the 1268 as "Graphic"... So in the text when they stated 'old model', they did mean the Graflex model...

Sorry about that... I should have read all the info before I posted anything...

But wait, I've got an excuse... My temp filling fell out and I'm in pain... That should be good for a day or two?

David A. Goldfarb · Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 142 Location: New York City

I have I think 4 locking ones and 4 non-locking ones. The locking ones are more foolproof, but it's not that difficult to deal with the non-locking holders. I just mark them "non-locking" so that I remember to pull the holder out of the back by the body of the holder, and not by the handle, if I'm using it under the groundglass. If I'm using it with the Graflok slides, it's not even an issue.

RichS · Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:16 pm Post subject:

Yeah, it's a shame that the only parts blow-up in the manual is for the early model, so it doesn't show the mechanics of the 'X' lock.

I was at first upset to find out it didn't have the lock. It's bad enough I pulled a holder _out_ while using it without having to worry about pulling the drawer out also...

But I did exactly that. I marked the holder "No X Lock". I may even paint the finger ring red to remind me... Besides this minor flaw, the holder is in perfect shape with what looks like brand new light seals. I'm not upset any more... And I now lock the slides whenever I use a Grafmatic!

But in the future, I'll try to only buy the 1268's...
(so marked on the front showing the newer model).

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45PSS · Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:26 am Post subject:

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RichS · Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:44 am Post subject:

Well, I did mention an 'excuse'

Yes, I looked at the parts blow-ups quite a bit closer, plus the photo on page 5 which shows the assembled mechanism... Thanks!

I'm not sure about the "shoulder seperator"

But the brain is deffinitely not working right... Cluttered up with far too much junk like my XK's needing service and even some real life stuff... I should just pay attention to myself more

jtcliff · Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 2

Just came across this thread . .hope someone is still reading. I recently discovered that I had inadvertently purchase a "Graflex"grafmatic (1168 with the slot not the ridge light trap). I do have a "Graphic" grafmatic (1268 with the ridge light trap)and didn't initially notice the difference and in fact have not used it yet. However there appears to be one significant issue that I have not seen mentioned in my browsings. The Graflex grafmatic has a significantly larger distance from the film plane to the face of the holder. In other words it is "deeper" than the "Graphic" grafmatic that I have been using successfuly up to now. Has anyone else noticed this? Any reason why this was made this way?