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		| primus96 
 
 
 Joined: 13 Nov 2003
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:41 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| What is the closest distance you can focus a Speed Graphic with a 127mm Ektar or a 135mm Optar? I am not concerned with the limit of the Kalart rangefinder, just by screen focussing.
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		| Dan Fromm 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:01 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| The cameras have "double extension", so will focus to 1:1 with the normal lens.  The most extension you can get is a little over 300 mm. 	  | Quote: |  	  | On 2003-11-22 09:41, primus96 wrote:
 What is the closest distance you can focus a Speed Graphic with a 127mm Ektar or a 135mm Optar?
 I am not concerned with the limit of the Kalart rangefinder, just by screen focussing.
 
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 The normal lens for 4x5 is 152 mm, and with it 1:1 means lens front node (approximate its position, great stress approximate, by the diaphragm) to subject distance is around 300 mm.  With a 135 you can get a little closer, with a 127, closer still.
 
 What are you trying to accomplish?  None of these lenses is great close up.  You'd be better off, based on my experience, with a good grade of 6 element enlarging lens.
 
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 Dan
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		| primus96 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 12:03 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I was wondering in case I wanted to do occaisional close-ups where something has a interesting shape or texture. Barnacles on a rock or breakwater.
 I was also going to propose photographing my mothers jewellry.
 I don't see any point in buying a lens just for this.
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		| Dan Fromm 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:29 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Primus96, in today's market poverty is no excuse.  I recently got an 80/5.6 C.E. Rokkor-X enlarging lens on eBay for less than $US 20 delivered.  You might be better off with a somewhat longer enlarging lens.  Since you're in the UK, you might look for a good grade of UK-made enlarging lens, even if not 6 element.  Postwar, coated, not a cheap Dallmeyer.  Ental II, maybe, or a Supar.  If you can afford to shoot 4x5, you can afford to buy one and put it on board. 	  | Quote: |  	  | On 2003-11-23 04:03, primus96 wrote:
 I was wondering in case I wanted to do occaisional close-ups where something has a interesting shape or texture.
 Barnacles on a rock or breakwater.
 I was also going to propose photographing my mothers jewellry.
 I don't see any point in buying a lens just for this.
 
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 Cheers,
 
 Dan
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		| worldphoto 
 
 
 Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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 Location: Southern California
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 6:15 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I use Series 7 and 9 close up lenses. Read the November/December 2003 article on page 42 of View Camera.  Focal Length Variation for LF Cameras By Robert Havina.
 Close up lenses are plentiful on eBay and cheap!
 Harry
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