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wkatez



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2001 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have acquired a reasonably mint Century that I am outfitting for landscape work. I have located the following lenses in my price range and would appreciate opinions from members with experience with any or all of these lenses. The 3 candidates are: Zeiss Planar 80mm f:/2.8 (from XL); Ziess 100 mm f:/2.8 (from XL); and Scheidner Xenotar f:/2.8 already on Century board. I would have to have one of the XL lenses taken off the XL barrel and mounted. Which would give me the best results?
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Wayne
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Les



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2001 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 100mm zeiss will give full coverage at 6x9. The 80 Planar is really designed for 6x6. you can squeek 6x7 out of it but the corners may be soft below f11

I've been told the Xenotar was sold on Century cameras. I know that the 80 planar will not allow the door to close on my pacemaker speed and you need to remove the rear cell to put the lens on the camera and the screw the rear cell on through the rear of the camera.

For landscape work where you'll be on a tripod with apertures at f11 or smaller, think about an 80mm wf ektar. They are smaller, lighter and great performers. The same could be said of the 90 angulon (not the super angulon which is a large hunk of glass)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2001 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Les is right - except for the 100mm, the other lenses won't truly cover 6x9. I had the 80mm Planar for my Century and it was fuzzy at the corners of 6x9. That lens WILL allow your Century to close, when mounted, but as he said you have to mount it by screwing the rear element on from the rear.

Since your goal is landscape, I'd look some more for lenses with more coverage.
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Les



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2001 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I had the 80mm Planar for my Century ...That lens WILL allow your Century to close, when mounted,


Hmmmm that makes me wonder what the differences are between a Century and a Pacemaker Speed.

Could it be that the standard is allowed to set deeper in the body in the Century?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2001 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the Grey Century, Les. Don't know if any difference with black models. Before I bought the lens, I asked Graflex that question, and they mounted one to find out. They taught me the technique of mounting the rear element from the back. It was one of the XL lenses [with Graflex engraved on the shutter ring] which Olden Camera had bought up and was selling for $99 as I recall.

That was the "good old days" where you could just call Rochester and ask. If they didn't know, they'd find out and call you back!


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Henry



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't overlook the 65mm f/6.8 Optar for the Century. Mine, in no. 1 Graphex shutter, gives good service if stopped down to f/11-f/16. Camera movements are limited (you can get more front rise by removing the sports finder frame), but for landscape work this may not be as important as, say, architectural photography. This lens does vignette some with front rise, but the darkenend upper corners look good when they're "in the sky." As with most lenses of that era and design, they are hard to focus (use the "least worst" method) and the edges go soft, but within its limitations its an OK piece. Also, I wonder if you'll find that an 80mm will make that much difference in 2x3 over a 90 or a 101 ("normal")?

The other problem with the 65 Optar is finding one. I looked pretty diligently for three years before picking one up at a camera show for $75. Best money I ever spent, except for the $15 I paid for my GE DW-68 exposure meter.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2002 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm that makes me wonder what the differences are between a Century and a Pacemaker Speed.

Could it be that the standard is allowed to set deeper in the body in the Century?

Isn't the difference that the Century does NOT have a focal-plane shutter (besides plastic vs wood body)?

Correct me, of course, if I'm wrong. There's always more to learn about these cameras, and I'd never claim to be an expert.

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Les



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2002 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was under the idea assumption that the depth the front standard could go in the body was the same on the Century, Crown and Speed and it was the fact that the Xenotar was in a smaller shutter that allowed it to work on a Century.

I was on my way to put my Planar back on ebay when (and this is the embarassing part) I remembered that I actually own a Century! I keep forgetting about it because it doesn't have a rangefinder. So I unearthed it dropped my planar in closed my eyes and carefully shut the door, and it closed!!!!

It seems as though the standard is allowed to go in not more than a milimeter or two deeper into the body and it's the cross part of the yoke (focus rails) that hits the bottom of the shutteron the pacemaker. 2mm deeper and it fits!

So now (as soon as funds are available) I'm looking for a 2x3 Crown.

[ This Message was edited by: Les on 2002-01-02 18:48 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2002 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is probably not very helpful, but I just measured the distance from the front standard to the front edge with the following results. 2x3 Crown .943, 2x3 Century .905,2x3 Speed .892. Looks like the crown has the edge in clearance for a lens. Russ
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Dan Fromm



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2002 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-01-02 17:52, cgoff wrote:
Hmmmm that makes me wonder what the differences are between a Century and a Pacemaker Speed.

Could it be that the standard is allowed to set deeper in the body in the Century?

Isn't the difference that the Century does NOT have a focal-plane shutter (besides plastic vs wood body)?

Correct me, of course, if I'm wrong. There's always more to learn about these cameras, and I'd never claim to be an expert.

C. Goff

Um, er, ah, I have both and the only difference between them that matters is that the Speed has a focal plane shutter. Because of this, its minimum flange-to-film distance is greater than the Century's and my 65/6.8 Raptar won't make infinity on it. YMMV. I have the impression that some (great stress SOME) 65/6.8 Raptar/Optar will make infinity on 2x3 Speeds, but mine sure won't.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2002 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is probably not very helpful, but I just
measured the distance from the front standard
to the front edge with the following results. 2x3
Crown .943, 2x3 Century .905,2x3 Speed .892.
Looks like the crown has the edge in clearance
for a lens. Russ


Actually that's very helpful! That means I don't have to worry about the Crown not working! So the Crown beats the Speed in 2x3 as well as 4x5!

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