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jjwalker
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 29 Location: upper midwest
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 5:43 am Post subject: |
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I keep reading about the big bertha lens in different sections of the help board and since I am new to all of this, will someone tell me what people are talking about when they say "big bertha".
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45PSS
Joined: 28 Sep 2001 Posts: 4081 Location: Mid Peninsula, Ca.
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 6:46 am Post subject: |
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A). 5' 7" (five foot seven) 475 pounds, Brunette, 94-88-125.
B). A 5 x 7 Home Portrait Graflex modified to accomadate lens from 17 inch to 60 inch (432mm to 1524mm). The lens is a permanate mount to the camera. A later version (1937) was called the "gear shift" model for the focusing lever on the side of the lens that resembled a car's gear shift. A 4 x 5 camera body could be used. All Big Bertha were custom modified Graphic/Graflex cameras. Paraphrased from Graphic Graflex Photography first edition January 1940.
Bertha was a very nice lady and fun to be with despite her size.
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Les
Joined: 09 May 2001 Posts: 2682 Location: Detroit, MI
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Actually you can blame the (now) coffee maker Krupps for the name. They made this long barreled item to send stuff over into Paris, and it wasn't coffee beans. Then the name was generalized to mean any long range cannon.
The long barreled camera had enough similarities that the name stuck, although I've seen period references calling them Howitzers as well. Graflex never officially made any Big Bertha cameras, but by the 40s they were making modified Home Portrait bodies designed to be adapted into big berthas. The Detroit News credits itself with making the first Big Bertha and making them for other newspapers. I'm sure at least several more newspapers in other areas will say the same thing. I did see one big Big Bertha with a manufacturer's name on it, but can't remember who it was. The ironic part is, if you use the full frame of the 5x7, then the 60" lens is about the same as a 200mm on a 35mm camera.
Here's some pilfered pics from corbis, they won't stay up for long. The second one is covering college baseball, the third was being used to cover the World Series at Ebbets Field.
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Les
Joined: 09 May 2001 Posts: 2682 Location: Detroit, MI
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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UPdate:
It seems that Big Bertha had a mother. Before the 5x7 HP Graflex became the standard, at least a few Naturalist Graflexes were modified for long range use.
Buried in the website of The Detroit news is an article about William Kuensel
http://info.detnews.com/history/story/index.cfm?id=147&category=people
If you click on the "Click for more photos" and then go to photo#4 of 6 you'll see Bill with what I thought was an early Big Bertha.
Then I saw this auction
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11720&item=3814046634&rd=1
and realized they were indeed the same model camera.
Les
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[ This Message was edited by: Les on 2004-05-05 07:01 ] |
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t.r.sanford
Joined: 10 Nov 2003 Posts: 812 Location: East Coast (Long Island)
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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FWIW, the "Paris Gun" (pictured above) was not the genuine "Big Bertha." That was a 420mm. howitzer make by Krupp and used against the Belgian forts during the opening phases of the war. Its users knew it as the "Gamma mortar."
During WWII, Kodak made a 48-inch f:8 telephoto for aerial cameras. These do show up, every now and then, and would make a nice accessory for a large-format reflex, especially for someone who owns a water buffalo to help transport the thing. |
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Dan Fromm
Joined: 14 May 2001 Posts: 2120 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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On 2004-05-05 09:59, t.r.sanford wrote:
During WWII, Kodak made a 48-inch f:8 telephoto for aerial cameras. These do show up, every now and then, and would make a nice accessory for a large-format reflex, especially for someone who owns a water buffalo to help transport the thing.
| Thinking of water buffalo, according to the Vade Mecum Kodak also made a 48/6.3 for aerial cameras. A couple of UK manufacturers made long lenses called "Big Bertha" for aerial cameras too; the most outrageous seems to have been Wray's 36/4.
All of these monsters were dwarfed, though, by US made lenses from Baker-Nunn. The Vade Mecum says "Specialist makers of high quality aerial survey cameras, initiated at Harvard in WW2 using K22 cameras. Products included first a f5.0 40in lens, then f6.3 60in and f10 100in by 1947. These were thermostatted in use
for optimum performance. Later there was a 8.0 144in, for 28x28in in 1960, mirror optics for tracking such as a f1.0 24in and a f4.0 64in." Oh, my aching water buffalo!
Cheers,
Dan
I once bought a 6"/1.9 Dallmeyer Super Six for its outrageousness. And the price was right. Made a 7"/2.5 Aero Ektar look slender. I sold it because it was just too big for my little 2x3 Speed, not to mention almost too heavy to use hand held. And the price was right. I still want, will probably never have, the largest size of Super Six. 8"/2. |
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Les
Joined: 09 May 2001 Posts: 2682 Location: Detroit, MI
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Dan,
It's a bit big for a mini pace and certainly would be a bear to hand hold, or just to hold, but B&L made a 19" f2 or 2.8
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jjwalker
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 29 Location: upper midwest
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Christ!, thats the most replys I have ever got for a question I posted and it was darn interesting too. Thanks everyone! JW |
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Arthurwg
Joined: 18 Jun 2002 Posts: 20 Location: NYC
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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There's a Big Bertha Graflex HP on display in the window of Fotocare camera shop in NYC. Owner says he has two others as well. This one was used to cover baseball games, I believe. |
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pv17vv
Joined: 22 Dec 2001 Posts: 255 Location: The Ardennes, Belgium
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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My Grandmother was called Bertha and no she didn't find it funny !!!!!
But she also told me Krupp's toy was nicknamed after Germany's Emperor's wife's name.
Se non e vero…
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David A. Goldfarb
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 142 Location: New York City
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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They've also got one up on a high shelf at Lens and Repro in NYC.
As I understand it, the one set up for covering baseball had two focus stops--one for home plate and one for first base--so the photographer could always be ready to pivot and catch the action. |
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JoePhoto
Joined: 13 Oct 2001 Posts: 75 Location: New England
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JoePhoto
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semihemi
Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 85 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:50 am Post subject: |
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[quote]
On 2004-05-05 06:15, Les wrote:
"Actually you can blame the (now) coffee maker Krupps for the name. They made this long barreled item to send stuff over into Paris, and it wasn't coffee beans. Then the name was generalized to mean any long range cannon. "
Never mind the Big Bertha. The deadliest of all was the "French 75," which was served at an establishment of considerable repute on Nantucket Island in the 80's. I don't recall the recipe, but the damn thing caused many a poor seafaring lad to experience the Yankee equivalent of Johny Cash' immortal words -
I went to sleep in Freeport
Woke up in New Orleans
Wondering why the hell I'm wanted
In some town halfway between
Oh, those were the days... |
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tsgrimm
Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Posts: 158 Location: SE Michigan
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