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davebias



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it klotz@graflex.org? or Les?

I would like to volunteer my services as a web designer to spruce up the venerable graflex.org. I sent an email last night to klotz@graflex.org but have received no response...

Just wondering if I sent it to the right place...

help?!?

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Les



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klotz has the key to the 1's and 0's so you sent it to the right place.

However, like the man behind the green curtain, he's pretty much a hands off kind of guy. I've hung around here long enough that I have the keys to the long guns and get to keep one bullet in my pocket in case the rabid ******** fanatics desend on the site.

I"m by no means a "computer guy" but I suspect he keeps things simple around here to keep the band width low and the cost with it--notice any pop ups and banner ads?

The best you can do is wait at this point.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Low bandwidth is my favorite way to be. I'm more about organization, readability, consistency, things of that nature. I'm all about minimal graphics and a killer style sheet (which takes no bandwidth). And color. This site needs a bit of color.

No Flash. No .gif animations. Just strong design that will load instantaneously on any computer with a 56K modem and up.

I love the look of the graflex stuff from the end of their run, especially the packaging associated with the XL. I'm going to put together a mockup of a new home page just so you can see what I'm thinking about.

Feel free to check my personal site which you'll find by clicking on my name. Therein you'll see my work, which, granted, is mostly music related, but will give you a sense of my aesthetic.

I understand that, to some, change is bad. The way things are is the way things should be. It's totally cool with me if you guys decide against my offer - it'll save me a buttload of work. But when I show you what I have in mind, I hope you'll see it as a good thing.

Please email me directly at me@davebias.org if we continue discussing this. I don't feel that it has much place in the forums.

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larrys



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2003-11-04 21:01, davebias wrote:
Low bandwidth is my favorite way to be. I'm more about organization, readability, consistency, things of that nature. I'm all about minimal graphics and a killer style sheet (which takes no bandwidth). And color. This site needs a bit of color.


Color? Whuzzat?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2003-11-04 21:01, davebias wrote:
...snip...
And color. This site needs a bit of color.
...snip...


Why??


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davebias



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys kill me. Let's not get hung up on the color thing. The LAST thing I want to do is to piss everybody off or upset the boat.

"Why?" Because designing is the thing I do best, and I want to contribute to this community in the way I know best. As corny as that sounds, or as scary - depending on the way you see it - that is the honest truth.

And it's not that you have to dress it up for the neighbors or anything, but there's a difference between a site that's usuable and a site that's actually a pleasure to use.

If the consensus is that the color scheme stays, I can certainly work around that and still deliver a site that will give every single user of this site a better experience.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lighten up Since most of us shoot B&W, it seemed the obvious thing to make fun of. You have to get used to the sense of humor around here. I'm still double checking my spelling after someone made mention of how bad I am at it (but I still blame the keyboard!)

Besides, there's only one person who 'owns' the site and it's all up to him. Whether or not he takes anyone's suggestions we couldn't guess.

Personally, I like the site. I would also like to see it kept in B&W with a 50's style. Just because it's on the net doesn't mean it has to be 'modern'...

Good luck with your re-design. I'm interested myself in seeing what you come up with...


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davebias



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean to come off heavy or mad or anything...

I actually have a hard time writing light, even if I'm totally making jokes. And I don't use smilies to intone my thoughts. Why is a long story. I know they help, especially with someone like me who writes so dry.

I totally get the 50s/B&W thing. And I could do wonders with it. But as I mentioned, I'm partial to the Graflex XL style. The bold logo on solid color fields. From a designer's viewpoint, it was pretty hot, and that's what I'm going to use it for my first pass. This past Saturday, I bought some XL manuals to scan and sample...

I'll send private messages to a bunch of you "regulars" as soon as I get something cooking.

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RichS



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almost all of us have problems either reading or writing messages from time to time. That's why we try to use the smileys so we can tell people when we're kidding.

I don't mind color and of course use it myself. But B&W seems to fit Graflex somehow. Maybe just to me?

On the other hand, it's partly due to the Art Deco styling of the Graphic View II that makes me like it so much. That's in silver and red...

Now a 50's Art Deco site I'd like to see!



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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primus96



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the information relating to the availability of sizes of sheet film certainly needs updating.
Me? Im going for 4x5 anyhow.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2003-11-05 23:44, 45PSS wrote:
The only thing I think this site needs is a GOOD proofreader and a spelling checker. Many of the pages accessable from the home page have words omitted and incorrect spacing making for a slightly hard to read article.
I purchased a copy of Merriam-Websters for this machine I'm using and do a lot of toggling when posting.
Varying shades of grey make for some very nice images.
Color is too hard to process as it requires HOT Water.

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[ This Message was edited by: 45PSS on 2003-11-05 23:52 ]


Charles, can you suggest a good cleaner to remove a mouthfull of liquid refreshment from my monitor?
thanx,
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2003-11-14 19:35, 45PSS wrote:
Windex with the power turned off.



How do you turn the power off on Windex?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all due respect, I like it the way it is. Now I'm all for keeping the info up to date [?] and speeding it up would be OK, but the design here is sorta classic now. I'm not for change just for the sake of change. Leigh has done a wonderful job so far. If he wants to change it, he will.
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